I don't know why it collapsed. I can wrap my mind around intentional bombs placed on the support infrastructure -- ie conspiracy theory. I can believe it's possible. But I don't know. I can't know. I can't know who killed Kennedy either.

I wouldn't put any atrocity past the current administration. They think they're working towards the greater good. There's nothing they won't stupe to. I don't know about the crop circles. I've never seen one made. I can believe they are man made.

Incidentally on one of the crop circle pictures there is an alien who is holding up a compact disk. The disk has bits encoded on it. I've always wondered if those bits convey any information. Just for fun whoever made that might have encoded the bits just like a real CD. Certainly there are only a small number of bits, but it might convey some ASCII message or something. It might be a confession of who did it. In fact, that particular crop artwork was the one that convinced me it was man-made, but not done by human work. It was a human that built a computer operated machine that flattened out the grass. I don't believe humans could have done that accurate a job. The crop circles are machine constructed, at least some of them. I've spent time thinking about how to construct such a machine, how it would know its location with high accuracy. Also some of the onlookers who report flying things and the crops just suddenly lying down all at once...they could be cohorts. Shills. But once again I don't know the answers.

Conspiracy theories are fun to pursue, fascinating. But in the end where are you? Life intrudes. You've got your family to take care of, bills to be paid. The world is as it is. Yes, it's a lot more corrupt than we believed as children. Yes this is a terrible trajedy. But here we are. Don't lose site of what is important in your own life trying to defeat the Illuminati, I'd say. Spread truth, help people to wake up, but don't obsess about it. Even David Wilcock says it's best not to proseltyze, only offer to inform when asked. But also you need to know when to violate that rule.

I'm not denying the truth of anything you're introducing. I'm just saying it's not my passion to pursue it. I'm working on Machine Intelligence (sometimes).

-Dave

No problem Dave.

For me the WTC7 collapse was key, but maybe you're not as critical as I am.

I'd love for you to do the money thing and get back to me, if you please.

Finally, do you really believe that these were man-made...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...s/contents.htm

I predict these crop circles will become more elaborate in the leadup years to 2012. Keep an eye on this.

Well the people doing the crop circles are getting better at their art, and they're in sort of a competition. I believe all of those crop circles could have been done by people, or people with some clever machines. I was once thinking about making a small machine that would run around on the street dragging sidewalk chalk along the ground. You'd program it and it would make interesting patterns on the street (we used to live in a cul-de-sac). I'd duplicate some of the crop circles, for example. Only in miniature. Similiar to the "Logo" computer language.

Regarding the money, I found this site:
http://www.armageddononline.org/911.php

I happened to have a 1996 $20 bill, and I was able to reproduce the results exactly as that web site shows. My take? Coincidence.

Regarding David Wilcock's story about the plant undergoing a lie detector test, I found this site. It's called the Backster effect. The site debunks the effect:

http://skepdic.com/plants.html

Now which site do I believe? I looked for youtube trying to find "Plant eeg" or "plant lie detector" but there wasn't anything. Mythbusters? According to that site Backster's entire belief was based on a single series of experiments he did in 1968 or so. Why didn't he ever repeat it? I'd guess he did try to repeat the experiments, but couldn't reproduce them using scientific methods and proper procedures. So I'd tend to believe the debunking site rather than Backster. But that's just my personal belief system. But I don't really know. All of my knowledge comes from looking on the LCD display of my computer. I have to postulate everything. It's just words and pictures on screen. How real is any of it? How real are you even? Maybe this is all just some complicated videogame and you're a non-player character.

You know, it's really funny that when I was explaining to stampgirl how corrupt the Bush administration is, how corrupt government is, I was encouraging her to reexamine all of her preconceptions and beliefs and be open to anything. But then at the end I said, "Just be sure you stop before you start believing in UFO's". This is funny. Here we are trying to decide if UFO's are real now.

If you're willing to believe in conspiracy theory, there might be no limit to what you can "swallow". I knew a couple in the 90's who got on the whole Wicca thing.Good friends of mine. It got so any new conspiracy theory came along, they bought into it. No skepticism at all. Based purely on the stories they'd heard and the anecdotal evidence, they'd buy into anything. One thing they believed was you could focus your mind on a cloud and make it disappear. I said "Wow. Can you do it now?" They said sure. So they focused on some clouds in the sky (we decided on which ones). And....the clouds didn't go away. I had a joke about it being a matter of faith. My faith that it wouldn't work was completely overwhelming their faith that it would.

Nowadays, I just don't know. Maybe there is truth to my "joke". Maybe everything we see is a fantasy, a dream, and our own belief is what gives it stability. The Teachings of Don Juan have a theme like that. All the time, whether asleep or awake, we're dreaming. I think DJ's point was to be able to wake up, but it's been a while since I read it.

Perception is a tricky thing. I'm convinced it's possible for people to see things that aren't there. Some people hallucinate. Tesla had phantom images in his vision pretty much all the time, haunting him. The book, "The Prince of Tides" talks about a woman who sees visions all the time, horrible, tortuous visions, and her life is a constant struggle not to slip into insanity.

Do you know that each individual's brain must create the entire world within itself? I recently figured out why the power of dreams isn't so spectacular. Think about it. When you're awake, there is a real world out there, billions of other people, TV, videogames, animals, swaying trees. In your dream world, all that amazing detail must come from within. What amazing computational power this must require. But the realization I had was that the brain is really creating the whole world all the time within itself. From the optic nerve there are only about 1,000,000 nerve fibers that deliver all the visual information the brain has to work with. Out of that tiny stream of data, the brain creates an internal representation of everything you perceive. You only see tiny snapshots of anything. The brain postulates everything, and gives it motivatons, and tracks its movements, and it all proceeds according to consistent logical rules -- as learned from watching the real world.

-Dave

Dave, what is your birthdate?

Sent in private email.

-Dave

Let me explain how I opened up and explored one hairline crack in my old reality...

I remember when I first heard about this and saw the youtube vids I actually found it very amusing and like yourself, couldn't take it seriously. After all, this is America's money right? How can 911 possibly be portrayed on these notes? Nah, this is all a load of nonsense!

I live in London, UK so it was very lucky that I had 3 $20 bills in my possession, so I folded one up, saw the same so-called image, and thought hmm interesting, but my healthy skepticsm meant I wasn't really convinced.

Then I reasoned, even if 911 is portrayed, maybe it was done *after* the event, like some kind of commemoration. I even entertained the idea that an insider was trying to alert the American public about 911! So I researched when these notes were issued... According to this site the 1996 series was issued in 09/1998 http://www.moneyfactory.gov/section.cfm/4/30. How credible is this? You decide!

However I'd read that the other notes also fold up to form the full sequence and and was highly skeptical about this. I mean, come on get real! Looking at the images on the internet didn't convince me either so I left it at that. I think this is where you're at now, Dave.

However, a seed of doubt had been planted in my mind and a short while later I thought you know what, I don't fully trust what gets posted on the internet these days. So as a simple experiment to test the credibility of the internet, I went down the bank and got the $5, $10 and $50 notes, leaving the $100 for now.

Back home I folded them up and compared them to the internet images and they all matched, so that strengthened my hypothesis that the internet is indeed a credible source of information.

I folded the $5 up... yes it kinda looks like a tower, but why is it slight fatter and shorter than the $20? The $10 looked more like the $20, and the $50 seemed not to show anything but white clouds. Huh? I don't remember seeing this on the net! THAT'S BECAUSE THE INTERNET $50 IMAGES SHOW THE REVERSE SIDE NOT THE FRONT-SIDE I.E. DON'T TAKE WHAT YOU READ ON BLIND FAITH. And I had to discover this for myself. Maybe someone's posted it in the meantime but I haven't checked. So I lined them all up and thought interesting -- the $5 seems to represent something standing, the $10 and $20 could indeed possibly represent a collapsing tower, but the $50 just showed empty space, maybe white clouds?

The order certainly appears to be correct. What's the chance of this... 1 in 4! = 1 in 24. So even if each image is a random coincidence, odds are they wouldn't appear in the right order.

That was enough to lead me onto the $100 which falls into place beautifully. Chance of correct order is 1 in 5! = 1 in 120.

btw I would say when I lined them up I didn't really 'get it' until I weighed the paper down flat. Trust me on this as it's very important to get the full effect, and again this is something you won't get by simply reading off a computer screen.

I'm just testing a theory here... is anyone reading this born in 1970?

That's very open minded of you. My only passion was to get to the bottom of 9/11 and what I've uncovered along the way has defied belief.

Do you believe the official Bush version of what happened on 9/11? If not why not? Find the anomolies, dig deeper.