I'm not sure what to make of this. Two days ago I stumbled across this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

This is important, so please don't let the odd introduction put you off.

I've come away with the following questions...

1. Is this an elaborate hoax or is it really for real?

2. If it's a hoax, then what's the motivation behind it? What do these people or government stand to gain?

3. If it's for real, then how come I never hear about it in the mainstream media? The implications must be unimaginable.


More information and reading material can be found here... http://www.disclosureproject.org

I like to think I have an open yet skeptical mind, but I'm having some real trouble determining what's going on here.

Cheers,
db

I forgot to add before I get flamed for posting this on an economic forum, I'll argue that if this turns out to be true (however remote the possibility) I'm certain that the economic results would be enormous -- see video around 1h 36m 'Big Oil' quote.

Ridicule me if you like, I'm only trying to make sense of this crazy world!

I watched part of it. Honestly I'm a bit skeptical. Why have an actor as #1 honcho? Why get preachy -- end global warming, don't militarize space, etc. Could this be a conspiracy to pretend there are aliens, and we'd better Do The Right Thing otherwise they'll Get Us? Could this be a way for some people to further their political agenda?

This occured in 2001. Why so little hoopla in 7 years?

On the other hand, I recall China released some pictures they had taken from their probe which had rounded the back side of the moon. The pictures matched some taken by US probes, except some people found evidence of "photoshopping". One mountain range had been inserted somewhere. Some part of this video of yours talks about obviously alien buildings existing on the far side of the moon. Maybe the Chinese photo was doctored to hide the alien buildings?

I think there's probably life all over the universe, I just doubt if it's this close to us. And I doubt sincerely whether they'd be concerned with our puny weapons.

Also the alien technology -- cheap power source -- is surprisingly unimaginative.

So I'm skeptical. I'll believe it when I see it. Honestly I'd rather we weren't visited by aliens, I want to see how the story comes out. But I certainly wouldn't panic. How many people would panic, anyway? What a joke. Oh, aliens are real? Whatever. What's on TV?

-Dave

Thanks Dave.

I guess I'll also remain a skeptic at the moment while I do further research.

I agree with you that #1 actor doesn't help them at all, he seems like a complete loon :-)

What bothers me is it's all hearsay, no hard evidence. And even if hard evidence was produced I doubt anyone would believe it.

Cheers
db

Along these lines it seems awfully strange that the idea is always spread that the higher ups think the mass of humanity isn't ready for ___INSERT_X_HERE___. It's like on an individual basis, every single one of these people that is convinced they've seen proof of alien life, is able to keep it a secret and not go insane. They're able to deal with it, go about their daily lives. Life goes on.

But strangely there is a tacit acceptance that if _other_ people were to generally know that aliens were real, something bad would happen. What? What is this big awful thing that would happen if suddenly the aliens were to make themselves known?

Is it that suddenly all the toiling masses of the world would just stop doing their work, and wait for the aliens to "make everything better"? Ah, at last, an end to our drudgery. Would world economic systems collapse? The fields go fallow? Mass starvation as people just sit around waiting for the aliens to feed them?

Would wars suddenly erupt?

Would religious people suddenly go insane? Take the bible for example, the message is that man is made in god's image. If there are aliens that are not like us, how does that fit into the equation? If there is an intelligent race with spacefaring capability that looks very different from humans, how could religious people reconcile this? What would make humans special, in that case?

Is it so important that people cling to their religious faith that they can't be exposed to anything that might contradict it?

I just don't see it. Humans are infinitely adaptable. Proof that aliens exist would be startling, but I think life would settle back down to nomal within a very short time. If the aliens _aren't_ going to solve all our problems, then it's back to business as usual or we starve to death. Our children starve to death. So there is a very powerful incentive to go back to what we were doing before.

After 9/11 when for some weeks the airplanes were grounded, what was the impact? Realistically, I felt absolutely no impact at all. Life went on as normal. As a percentage of the population, people flying in airplanes is tiny, tiny. So people were inconvenienced for a few weeks. So it took a few months for the system to get back on track and work through the backlog. So some carriers lost money while their planes weren't flying. The system recovered. It didn't collapse.

Is it that the US, which is the dominant force on the planet (for the present) is so unbelievably fragile + weak, that the powers that be simply cannot risk even the slightest possibility of something rocking the boat? One nudge from outside is enough to topple the whole structure? If that's the case, is it really so worth preserving?

-Dave

Focus on the zero-point-energy spaceship. The guy claims to have plans for a spaceship that was designed from reverse engineering crashed alien spaceships. It is supposedly able to defy gravity and go faster than light. There was a claim that the development of this spaceship required wealth expenditures that exceeded the Manhattan Project (which developed the atomic bomb).

Anyone can write up some believable blueprints, which the guy waved at the camera.

What would bug the crap out of me is if there are some people in the US that get to go on space cruises, get to go visit other stars, are having nice conversations with aliens...but they're keeping it all to themselves. I'd love to go out exploring.

If there is this zero point energy, building a working system ought to be feasable.

But you know I don't know if this forum is appropriate for such things. HERE, we don't believe in perpetual motion machines. This zero point energy would be an example of a PMM. So since we believe it's not possible, we would be acting inefficiently if we went and pursued it.

I don't think it's safe to form hard and fast core beliefs, such as the automatic acceptance that perpetual motion can't exist. Free energy from nothing. Until we complete our understanding of the behaviour of this universe, anything is possible. It's asinine to use the perceived laws of physics to rule out the very possibility of...pretty much anything. We don't know all the "laws". We don't even know if there are laws of physics. All our understanding is based on description of what we see. We have no clue whatsoever the reality behind everything, what makes it all tick. Our science is just a matter of describing the results of an experiment, without having to actually perform the experiment. I think sometimes we can afford to do experiments even when our understanding tells us it probably won't yield results. We always need to be testing our understanding. We can't do that by tacitly accepting our understanding is complete.

Who says maximum efficiency is a desirable goal? Might all maximums really be local? It's like you've climbed to the top of a mountain, so there you sit, happy and content. Nevermind the clouds part and you look off and see a higher peak. We're at a maximum, we don't need to go any higher. Maybe there is always a higher peak.

-Dave

Or you can think like this dude.

Any man, can do anything. If you die before you are done, you merely ran out of time.

You've got to be positive...like George Bush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHSiqQpg7Uc

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Thanks for this encouraging post. It's these sorts of thoughts that have allowed me to continue with things like Machine Intelligence, in the face of overwhelming societal misunderstanding.

-Dave

WOW! Aliens! I don’t now what to say!

I do want to thank you DB for posting this for it has given me more insight to what the bible says about the beings that live among us. We can only imagine what kind of life lives out there in space but after reading the book of Genesis I found that it documents beings that do not come from this planet who were there before the flood and after the flood. According to scripture, no one survived the flood except Noah and his family and none of them were aliens. So, were do the beings come from?
I do believe we are living in the last days of Deception and that the truth will be coming out into the open. I have seen and experienced too much to say that aliens don’t exists and NO they are not little green men. If man would get off his finite but and take a good look into the infinite sky above them, they would understand that it is truly infinite and so is life and this is were we came form and not from the “goo through the zoo to you”…by chance.

Thanks again DB
God Bless.

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Ok.. most of us in this forum believe that we should "NOT" believe everything our governments tell us. From the economic data to even the possibilities of rigged elections. Recently we have even started wars by means of deception. Since when do our government really tell us the truth these days? And now they can do just about anything in the name of "national security" and fighting a "war on terror".

This disclosure project is a great start to shed some light into the secrecies that our own governments may have taken part in. And I do not believe they are hiding this in the name of national security. What are they afraid of? People in panic and committing suicide? Just because there is life outside of our own? I think there's a lot more to that.

I do believe that we are living in a time where we could soon be making contact with much more advanced life, and this contact will be global in scale.. Everyone will know! Nothing will be hidden.. and I believe that time is coming soon. That's just my opinion and only my opinion!

I found this interesting interview with David Wilcock who claims to have worked with people in the disclosure project and the scientific community regarding UFO's.

Interviews with David Wilcock.

You could skip part one if you don't have time to listen but just want to get a feel for his research.